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kalesin
07/04/2008, 16:56
ομολογω οτι δεν ειδα αν εχουν μεινει αναπαντητα, η αν εχει ξαναμπει, αλλα δεν πρεπει να το ειδα σε ενα γρηγορο ψαξιμο που εκανα στο θρεντακι

τι ειναι τουτο;
τι το σημαντικο εχει;

:beer: :beer:


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sapila racing
07/04/2008, 17:24
Αρχικά δημιουργήθηκε από kalesin
ομολογω οτι δεν ειδα αν εχουν μεινει αναπαντητα, η αν εχει ξαναμπει, αλλα δεν πρεπει να το ειδα σε ενα γρηγορο ψαξιμο που εκανα στο θρεντακι

τι ειναι τουτο;
τι το σημαντικο εχει;

:beer: :beer:

Nομίζω εχει ξαναμπεί. Υπάρχει και οδός με το όνομα του σχεδιαστή στην Ανω Κυψέλη!! :eek: :eek:

filipp0s
07/04/2008, 17:53
Αρχικά δημιουργήθηκε από kalesin
ομολογω οτι δεν ειδα αν εχουν μεινει αναπαντητα, η αν εχει ξαναμπει, αλλα δεν πρεπει να το ειδα σε ενα γρηγορο ψαξιμο που εκανα στο θρεντακι

τι ειναι τουτο;
τι το σημαντικο εχει;

:beer: :beer:

Δεν θυμάμαι αν έχει ξαναμπεί!
Είναι killinger and freund, τρικύλινδρη στα 600cc και είναι πανάλαφρη -135kg



Καλορίζικο το νεο section!


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sapila racing
07/04/2008, 17:57
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Δεν θυμάμαι αν έχει ξαναμπεί!
Είναι killinger and freund, τρικύλινδρη στα 600cc και είναι πανάλαφρη -135kg



Καλορίζικο το νεο section!


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Oπως πάντα ο filippos είναι ακριβής!

H οδός που ελεγα ειναι η οδός Κοκερέλ, μια και αυτη η μοτό είνα στην ουσία η συνέχεια της Megola.
Και μια επερώτηση :lol:

Οταν λές τρικύλινδρη τι εννοείς ακριβώς? Για πες!!
:beer:

filipp0s
07/04/2008, 18:02
Αρχικά δημιουργήθηκε από sapila racing
Oπως πάντα ο filippos είναι ακριβής!

H οδός που ελεγα ειναι η οδός Κοκερέλ, μια και αυτη η μοτό είνα στην ουσία η συνέχεια της Megola.
Και μια επερώτηση :lol:

Οταν λές τρικύλινδρη τι εννοείς ακριβώς? Για πες!!
:beer:


τρικύλινδρη δίχρονη και με το μοτερ στον μπροστινό τροχο! :beer: :beer:


από το σαιτ:

The three-cylinder two-stroke engine uses a Drehschieber (= turning disk with intake holes for more exact timing of the intake of the fuel-air mixture). The fresh fuel-air mixture is sucked in by the vacuum in the three crankshaft housings as usual. The "Drehschieber" does the intake timing for all three cylinders. The engine is not a radial engine as known from planes. And there is no need for a flywheel. All three cranks seem to work on one common gear. This arrangement and the recoil of the pistons in the turning direction should secure a perfect balance of the moving parts. The cylinders are made of KS (brand name) iron cylinder walls and are totally embedded in the Silumin (kind of alloy) engine housing. Alloy cylinderheads with lots of cooling fins and the exhaust pipes are the only things that can be identified as engine parts between the spokes of the cast alloy wheel. These flat spokes are designed to serve as a cooling fan. The two-speed transmission is built as a differential transmission and uses slope-meshed gears. The clutch is made of usual clutch disks. The clutch (with the springs at the outer circle) is located in front of the transmission. The transmission is actuated by steel cables (foot-operated). All parts of the engine allow easy access for service work. After the removal of the engine – only two bolts and some wiring have to be removed – all important parts are within reach. The tire can also be removed easily. You have to unlock a safety mechanism and can remove the tire completely with the split rim. The front brake is installed in the hub. The rear suspension also has telescopic oil-filled shock absorbers. The gasoline runs down through flexible hoses.


:eek: :eek:

byron
07/04/2008, 18:07
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Οταν λές τρικύλινδρη τι εννοείς ακριβώς? Για πες!!
:beer:

Ηταν 3κύλινδρη 600 και είχε κίνηση στον μπροστινό τροχό !!!

Κατασκευάστηκε μόνο 1 κομμάτι το οποίο «απαλλοτριώθηκε» απ΄τους αμερικανούς μετά την πτώση της Γερμανίας. Υπάρχει και φωτό.


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byron
07/04/2008, 18:09
Το μοτέρ ήταν στην μπροστινή ρόδα, κάπως έτσι...:eyepop:


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sapila racing
07/04/2008, 18:11
Και στην ουσία δεν είναι ενας τρικύλινδρος αλλα 3 μονοκύλινδροι ενωμένοι σε μια κάσα.
Με 3 στροφάλους κλπ.

Η ζάντα είναι διαιρούμενη κι ετσι εχει κανονική σαμπρέλλα αντο των 2 μισων που ειχε το Megola.

fantacid
07/04/2008, 18:24
υπαρχει φωτο απο μπροστα???

δλδ πως τη χωρεσαν τη μηχανη μεσα σε ροδα μοτο???

:confused: :confused:

byron
07/04/2008, 18:31
Αρχικά δημιουργήθηκε από fantacid
υπαρχει φωτο απο μπροστα???

δλδ πως τη χωρεσαν τη μηχανη μεσα σε ροδα μοτο???

:confused: :confused:

Δες το Megola για να πάρεις μια ιδέα...:hypnotize


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byron
07/04/2008, 18:34
Και σκίτσο του κινητήρα με τον τρόπο μετάδοσης. Ουσιαστικά οι στρόφαλοι έδιναν κίνηση σε ένα εξωτερικά τοποθετημένο γρανάζι.


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fantacid
07/04/2008, 18:36
δλδ στροφαλος κ αξονας μεταδοσης ενα κ το αυτο ε?!!!

κ αυτο ειναι 3κυλινδρο 600αρι?




edit: τωρα ειδα το σκιτσο!

kalesin
08/04/2008, 02:20
με τις μεταφορες των ποστ μπερδευτηκα λιγακι..

κ μιας κ μπορουμε να βαζουμε λιγα παραπανω στοιχεια, τωρα που δεν χαλαμε τη ροη του παιχνιδιου, ας μου επιτρεψετε να βαλω οσα εχω βρει για την ιστορια.



From the Geman MOTORRAD magazine, october 1938. (Translation: Hartmut Schouwer, 2000):

In Italy five plane engineers once built the RONDINE. Now it’s called GILERA and is destined to win a lot of races for the GILERA brand. When technicians do something with love, something good will turn out.

Three years ago five technicians from Munich started to design another nonconformistic motorcycle, but they had another target: they created a modern bike with front-wheel-drive and and aerodynamic, rational shape. That means a bike for daily use. And now it’s ready for the show.

Our readers will remember the MEGOLA story. The magazine staff had restored an old MEGOLA to recollect the merits of this multiple-cylinder front-wheel-drive bike. We wrote: “Fantastic behaviour in curves . . . a child could ride it on sand . . .”

What the five technicians from Munich – the names of the designers/engineers are KILLINGER and FREUND – now completed is more than an improved MEGOLA. The engine displacement is again 600cc and it is also incredibly light: 135 Kilogr. (with fuel), but this bike has a three-cylinder two-stroke engine in the front wheel, it HAS a transmission and a clutch, it has a comfortable front and rear suspension and looks elegant and thrilling.

There’s always a crowd of people around the displayed bike indicating that there’s happening something great. If you join them and listen to them you will be astonished that most of them like the shape of this bike. That’s important because the technicians wanted to build a bike that can be sold in large numbers some day. The people are used to aorodynamic shapes of car bodies now and it seems that they already expected something like that. The shape was developed to meet all these requirements: all moving parts covered, dirt protection, multicylinder and front-wheel-drive. Another target was to reduce the numbers of different parts. This bike has less parts than a light 100cc-bike!

At first sight you realize the dirt-protective and aerodynamic covers of the front and rear wheel. Frame, fork and fuel tank are also aerodynamically improved. We were impressed by the nice details and good shaped transitions of the different body parts, as seen on race bikes.

And now the construction: the middle of the frame and the rear wheel cover are currently built as sheetmetal shells around a tube frame. For the mass-production version there are plans to build the middle frame as a boxed frame, welded together, using two pressed sheetmetal parts. Of course this supermachine has a rear suspension. It is linked to the lower end of the (inner) tube frame and fixed with flexible (rubber/metal???) elements which don’t need any service. A lid in the box frame allows access to the seat springs to regulate the hardness of the seat’s suspension.

The steering is like that of a normal bike, but the telescopic elements (80 mm lift) are more vertical than usual. That means that the wheelbase won’t change much when the front fork dives in.

The front-wheel-drive is much better than the Megola design. First, the weight of the engine (unsprung weight) is lower. The front wheel with engine has a weight of 50 Kilos. Second, a custom carb without a float needle doesn’t have problems that could be caused by vibrations. And third, the light-weight battery ignition allows to start the engine without problems and helps to keep the engine weight low. The distributor and the points are located in the hub. The technicians originally intended to build a dynastarter. These improvements (plus transmission and clutch) had been impossible to add to the MEGOLA design.

The three-cylinder two-stroke engine uses a Drehschieber (= turning disk with intake holes for more exact timing of the intake of the fuel-air mixture). The fresh fuel-air mixture is sucked in by the vacuum in the three crankshaft housings as usual. The "Drehschieber" does the intake timing for all three cylinders. The engine is not a radial engine as known from planes. And there is no need for a flywheel. All three cranks seem to work on one common gear. This arrangement and the recoil of the pistons in the turning direction should secure a perfect balance of the moving parts. The cylinders are made of KS (brand name) iron cylinder walls and are totally embedded in the Silumin (kind of alloy) engine housing. Alloy cylinderheads with lots of cooling fins and the exhaust pipes are the only things that can be identified as engine parts between the spokes of the cast alloy wheel. These flat spokes are designed to serve as a cooling fan. The two-speed transmission is built as a differential transmission and uses slope-meshed gears. The clutch is made of usual clutch disks. The clutch (with the springs at the outer circle) is located in front of the transmission. The transmission is actuated by steel cables (foot-operated). All parts of the engine allow easy access for service work. After the removal of the engine – only two bolts and some wiring have to be removed – all important parts are within reach. The tire can also be removed easily. You have to unlock a safety mechanism and can remove the tire completely with the split rim. The front brake is installed in the hub. The rear suspension also has telescopic oil-filled shock absorbers. The gasoline runs down through flexible hoses.

Five men worked for three years on this machine. The bike was test-driven already and the engine was tested on a test-stand. As there are so many progressive ideas built into this bike, we hope that the developers will have a chance to complete their work, because we would like to experience the preferences of this bike some day:

Better handling – more safety – less weight – simple construction – no chain or cardan shaft – no valves – tangential arrangement of the cylinders for smooth engine characteristics.

Ch. Christophe


βαριομουνα να το μεταφρασω... :blush:


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