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Θέμα: Bmw F 800 Gs - Η προϊστορία

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    Ο ΠΡΟΕΔΡΑΣ Το avatar του/της Anty12
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    Bmw F 800 Gs

    Υπάρχει κανείς που να γνωρίζει Ισπανικά να μας μεταφράσει τα γραφόμενα στην φώτο...???
    Είναι από περιοδικό (δύσκολο να είναι φοτοσοπιά...) και αναφέρεται το πίσω σύστημα μετάδοσης της πολυαναμενόμενης εδώ και χρόνια γερμανίδας.

    Φαίνεται καθαρά μετάδοση με αλυσίδα και monoarm.......!!!!!!


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    Στων χιλιομέτρων την ερημιά....
    ..... και στη σιωπή των χρονομέτρων

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    Για αλυσιδια το κοβω.. Υπαρχει και ο σχετικος τροχος πισω απο τη ροδα

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    Αλυσίδα σίγουρα, το λέει κιόλας "transmission posterior es por cadena" (μέσες-άκρες σημαίνει "η πίσω μεταδοση γινεται με αλυσίδα"

    Προφανώς σε αντιδιαστολή με το F800S/ST που έχει ιμάντα (αν κατάλαβα καλά το "correa dentada")

    Απο εκεί και περα, όλο το ζουμί ειναι στο περίεργο μονομπρατσο...

    Εκει δε βγάζω άκρη...

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    Le Servonais

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    Τσίκι; Το avatar του/της MikeG
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    Άντε να δούμε τι θα είναι & αν θα βγει έκδοση Dakar...

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    Αρχικά δημιουργήθηκε από MikeG
    Άντε να δούμε τι θα είναι & αν θα βγει έκδοση Dakar...
    Επισης, αν κατάλαβα καλά τη δεύτερη παράγραφο, θα βγει καινουριο 1200GS με έμφαση στην άσφαλτο και θα αφήσει το χώμα στο 1200GS Adventure και στο F800GS

    Και οτι μαλλον δε θα βγει το F800 naked

    Για να δούμε τι θα κάνει ο βαυαρός

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    Τσίκι; Το avatar του/της MikeG
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    Αρχικά δημιουργήθηκε από Cpt. Haddock
    Επισης, αν κατάλαβα καλά τη δεύτερη παράγραφο, θα βγει καινουριο 1200GS με έμφαση στην άσφαλτο και θα αφήσει το χώμα στο 1200GS Adventure και στο F800GS

    Και οτι μαλλον δε θα βγει το F800 naked

    Για να δούμε τι θα κάνει ο βαυαρός

    Αν είναι έτσι όπως τα λες η KTM θα έχει κάποιους νέους πελάτες

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    Αρχικά δημιουργήθηκε από MikeG
    Αν είναι έτσι όπως τα λες η KTM θα έχει κάποιους νέους πελάτες
    Πιθανόν, αλλά απο την άλλη για κάποιον που το 1200 φιανόταν πολύ και το 650 λίγο, το 800αρι θα ειναι μια χρυσή τομή

    (μένει να δούμε και πόσο θα κάνει βέβαια )

    Ούτως ή άλλως τα λεφτά του το 1200 τα έβγαλε με το παραπάνω - γεμισε ο τόπος και στο εξωτερικό είδα ενα σωρό και βλέπεις ήδη και πολλά adventure

    71°1′8″N 25°47′50″E
    48°07'01.6"N 1°27'50.9"W

    Le Servonais

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    Τσίκι; Το avatar του/της MikeG
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    Πιθανόν, αλλά απο την άλλη για κάποιον που το 1200 φιανόταν πολύ και το 650 λίγο, το 800αρι θα ειναι μια χρυσή τομή

    (μένει να δούμε και πόσο θα κάνει βέβαια )

    Ούτως ή άλλως τα λεφτά του το 1200 τα έβγαλε με το παραπάνω - γεμισε ο τόπος και στο εξωτερικό είδα ενα σωρό και βλέπεις ήδη και πολλά adventure

    Έτσι όπως το βλέπω το 800αρι πάει να πάρει όλο το κόσμο του Vstrom. Σίγουρα τα 800 είναι χρυσή τομή, αλλά με το να σταματήσει εντελώς το απλό 650GS και το Dakar, και να μη βγάλει κάτι που να μπορεί να πατάει και χώμα αξιοπρεπώς, και όχι μόνο χώμα όπως το XChallenge, σίγουρα χάνει πελάτες. Δεν είναι λίγες οι φορές που έχω βρεθεί στο συνεργείο για καφέ , και έρχονται άτομα και ρωτάν αν το 800 θα μπορεί να πάει και χώμα.. Τέλος πάντων, υπομονή και σχετικά σύντομα* θα μάθουμε.

    * Ίσως του χρόνου, νέα σεζόν, όχι αυτή.


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    Τσίκι; Το avatar του/της MikeG
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    Πάντως η photo που παίζει πιο πολύ στο net είναι αυτή, η οποία είναι σχέδιο του σχεδιαστή της BMW Xavie Gordillo.


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    Ποσαδιστής Το avatar του/της el_hymador
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    Εγω οπως το βλεπω ενα απλο μονομπρατσο ψαλιδι ειναι με κοντρα - σουραβλι ( ) για την δαγκανα του πισω φρενου...

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    Τσίκι; Το avatar του/της MikeG
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    Παίζει αυτό το post στο αγγλικό forum UKGS αλλά δε ξέρω κατά πόσο ανταποκρίνεται στη πραγματικότητα...

    "OPTIONS...

    1.) The basic 800GS:
    Very closely related to the current 650GS by way of suspension travel and range per tank. (~200miles).
    The 90/10 ratio applies...Much better suited for the packed stuff out of the box, but handles the pavement like its big brother the 1200, solid...This version will go down in history as a great wannabe rally god looking bike -in commuter covering. Due in part to it’s having a seat that is actually designed by someone who cares about everyone's bottom end, yes gone will be the need to ply the “jewels” from the Faux tank!! Fuel consumption is down a little from the 650 to average out to ~58 MPG...better or worse dependent upon the user! BHP is around 72. Elec power output is up, never an issue running heated clothing, GPS, and add on lights. etc...
    Stripped this would fall in the $8800.00 range.
    Option package (heated grips/ABS/power outlet/center stand) $9300.00
    Many colors available. More Hi Visibility colors come into use.

    2.) The 800GS Dakar:
    Adds another 2” of suspension and another 1.5 gal of fuel. Yes, a little more fuel...
    Gone are the days of waving flags spewed across the tank...Some other conservative scheme is applied to ID the Dakar version other than by its height. Standard is a real Dakar windscreen, paw protectors, better pegs and engine guards...~$9500.00. Optioned out as mentioned above, add another $500. A cool $10,000.00 will get you a set of keys. One color scheme only.

    3.) The HP800GS:
    An all out monster. Lightened by bits and pieces that are forged. Compression is up, power output is up to 80 BHP and gearing is matched for the apparent usage. Suspension is better than the G650, -much better. Fully adjustable in every sense. No extras. No options. A true Enduro/ almost MX bike that will go anywhere at great velocities. Has the smaller fuel tank of the standard GS (for weight reduction). Paw protection, pegs, bar, risers, tires, chain guard...All the goodies you’d want for off road performance and thats all you’ll find on this version.
    Knowing “someone” will complain about the range, getting the larger tank is something that must be done on ones own. You’ll need to order the Dakar tank and seat combo, and install yourself.
    NOTE: The HP version seat will be designed by someone who stands on the pegs 90% of the time and could care less about a comfortable seat...You’ve been warned.
    The suspension upgrade on this model alone drives the price up $2000.00. So no, you will not need to go and get a “better aftermarket suspension later”...This set up is awesome and can be sent back for rebuilds ----done (at) any BMW dealership around the world.
    Add the “less costs more” theory- (for reference search LTW M3 to see the differences less makes in $$) and you will shell out in the neighborhood of $14500.00...
    The Dakar tank and seat combo (if ordered with the bike) will run ~$750.00. Ordered separately, expect to pay almost $1100.00

    4.) To pay respect and give some homage to the original...

    Enter the Limited Edition.

    800GSPD:

    Paint scheme matched to the original 80 GSPD.
    Huge tank. Yes a huge tank capable of letting you run well over 300 miles between gas and pee breaks.
    Suspension of the Dakar model, but has more adjustability. Some bits and pieces of the HP show up on this model, helping to keep the weight down and performance up.
    Elec power can run a set of lights so hot they’ll melt the corneas out of passing motorists at 50 yards. Plus handle anything you plug in, be it jump starting stranded 18 wheelers and RVs - and what not...
    Lower compression ratio so as to have the ability to run ANY nasty fuel you happen to find and it still runs great. Gearing is suited more for a 50/50 planned usage. Tubeless wire tires...with a 21” on the front. .
    All options of the Dakar plus center stand, heated grips, and a very easy to get to (but not accidentally) ON/OFF ABS switch. Plus this model comes standard with HID.
    Price is the SAME as the HP, $14,500.00 ".


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    Τσίκι; Το avatar του/της MikeG
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    Αλλά και αυτό δείχνει ενδιαφέρον, αν ο τύπος δε πουλάει παραμύθια :

    " ust talked to the GM @ my favorite BMW dealership.

    He has seen the bike!!!
    He has a picture of the bike!!!
    He won't show it to me!!!

    Here is what he did tell me....
    21" front wheel
    Chain drive
    70/30 on/off road
    83bhp
    made him drool and possibly want to rid his HP2 for it
    looks great
    does not look like any of the previous bike. new design
    no specs on tank size
    guestimated price in the $12k range
    worldwide sales launch in Mar '08
    could be announced as early as tomorrow
    WILL BE @ SEATTLE IMS

    on another note... 450 is not a G series bike... nor carry the G moniker
    12GS will be redesigned to be more Adventurish while the 800GS will be more Dakarish...
    no more 12GS/GSA in all of N.A. available until Mar '08... "



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    Τσίκι; Το avatar του/της MikeG
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    & εδώ είναι η δήλωση του προέδρου της BMW Motorrad, όπου ουσιαστικά αναγγέλει ότι στην EICMA στο Μιλάνο θα παρουσιαστούν νέα μοντέλα και 99% το νέο F800GS

    Statement by Dr. Herbert Diess, President of BMW Motorrad, International Motorcycle Show "Mondial Du Deux Roues", Paris, 28 September 2007




    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    Great to see you all here today at our Press Conference in Paris!

    Today we are focusing on three highlights in particular:
    · First, our latest sales figures for the first eight months of the year.
    · Then, we will be considering how BMW Motorrad will be continuing into the future and how we will meet the challenges to come.
    · And last but certainly not least, we will of course be presenting our latest product.

    Let me start with our current sales figures.
    We gave ourselves ambitious objectives right from the start at the beginning of the year, planning to deliver more motorcycles to our customers in one year than ever before. This is indeed a demanding target, considering that in 2006, selling more than 100,000 motorcycles, we already broke a very significant barrier.
    As of the end of August, we are certainly going in the right direction: Delivering more than 75,000 units to customers, we have already sold 5 per cent more motorcycles than in the same period last year. And we are confident that we will reach our target by the end of 2007.
    We have already reached a particularly important milestone this year, with deliveries of the R 1200 GS since 2004 now amounting to more than 100,000 units. This makes our large touring enduro the most successful BMW motorcycle of all times.
    Although these figures give us every reason to look optimistically into the future, we definitely realise that the market is difficult and challenging and will remain this way for the entire European motorcycle industry.
    So how will BMW Motorrad master the future and remain profitable?
    The answer is clear and straightforward: We will consistently continue the model initiative we launched in 2004!
    Our message was clear right from the start, stating that we will only be able "to really appeal and reach additional customers through new, desirable products".
    Having launched 17 new models since 2004, we have virtually renewed our entire model range within just three years. In the process we have focused in particular on the complete renewal of our core range such as the GS and RT Boxer models as well as the Tourer and Sports Tourer models within the K-Series.
    We have also opened up new segments for BMW, successfully appealing to additional customer groups. Last year, for example, we introduced the midrange F800 S and ST. And we have developed a brand-new generation of single-cylinder motorcycles, the extra-light and agile G650 Series comprising three different models.
    Today we are proud to make you acquainted with another new model following our presentations.
    In just a few weeks' time, we will also be presenting a number of additional new models, which likewise makes us very proud.
    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    All this clearly shows that we are continuing our model initiative at BMW Motorrad at a fast pace.
    To expand our growth potentials to further segments and, indeed, to pick up further momentum in the market, we have decided to pursue a two-brand strategy, acquiring Husqvarna Motorcycles in the process.
    Offering the market the broad range of Husqvarna models, we are able to expand our own portfolio more quickly to younger groups of customers and cater for the entire range of Offroad and Supermoto models, penetrating these segments even faster than with our core brand alone. At the same time we are able to use Husqvarna's worldwide sales and distribution network in the offroad segment right from the start.
    Husqvarna is one of the greatest motorcycle brands in the world with a fascinating tradition, a company which to this day has set up numerous world records and achieved great success in motorsport. Even in 2007 Husqvarna has been equally successful in racing, so far leading the 450-cc Supermoto World Championship class and coming right at the top in the open class. They have also been very successful this year in the Offroad World Championship, once again bringing home a number of great victories.
    A further point is that the Husqvarna model range has been significantly updated for the 2008 model year: Their models have become a lot lighter and more slender, now featuring optimised ergonomics and fuel injection.
    This raises Husqvarna's models to an even higher standard in the world of motorsport. And it explains why, in our opinion, Husqvarna still has the full potential for a leading offroad brand.
    A fundamental point is that we are now able, with this second brand, to grow in segments in which we were not represented so far. Because to remain successful in the long term, we definitely need profitable growth.
    A particular challenge we are facing as a European manufacturer is the exchange rate of the euro versus the Japanese yen: Since the year 2000 the yen has lost almost 70 per cent of it’s value against the euro.
    This advantage of our Japanese competitors in terms of the exchange rate benefits them in two respects: First, they are able to take a very aggressive stand in the market thanks to their much lower cost base; second, they are able to optimise their profits, benefiting from their increasing margins in the market.
    So what are we doing to remain competitive?
    · First, we are naturally improving productivity at our plant in Berlin and with our suppliers.
    · Second, we are expanding our purchasing activities the world over in order to set off in particular the shift in currencies.
    · Third, we are focusing on our particular strengths, which set us clearly aside from the competition. These are the outstanding quality as well as the technical and emotional uniqueness of our products.

    One example is the recent introduction of traction control for our Boxer- and K-Series models as a truly innovative feature offering a significant improvement of active safety on the road. Indeed, this gives us yet another unique sales proposition in the market right now.
    Another example is the new two-cylinder power unit in our F-Series, offering the highest torque in its class together with minimum weight and fuel consumption. And I am happy to tell you that we will very soon be offering further models with this unique power unit.
    Our HP models are outstanding examples of the further emotional enhancement of our brand. As you know, HP by Motorrad stands for uncompromising technology of the highest calibre for the particularly demanding rider.
    Introducing the HP 2 Enduro, we presented the first Super Enduro in the world for offroad riding in 2006. In 2007 we added the HP 2 Megamoto, the lightest and most agile Boxer for winding country roads.
    Today we are proud to make you acquainted with yet another model in the HP Series.
    But first, allow me to sum up the points I have made so far:
    In my statement I have made you acquainted with three major modules through which we plan to grow successfully and profitably in the market:
    · First, the continuation of our model initiative.
    · Second, our now even more aggressive product strategy focusing on two brands – BMW and Husqvarna.
    · And, finally, our ongoing strategy versus the competition.

    However, we naturally realise that today you rightly expect not only a report on our business activities and an outlook into the future of BMW Motorrad, but also a truly outstanding innovation in our model range.
    And that is precisely what we have to offer you!
    At the beginning of my presentation, I referred to our model initiative and our intention to offer a very special BMW in the sports segment. So today we are proud to present precisely a motorcycle of that calibre, a motorcycle which will definitely thrill the real aficionado of the BMW Boxer - the HP2 Sport!
    This unique motorcycle offers the utmost in technology and riding qualities while reducing everything to the essential as a typical feature of BMW HP. We have in fact developed the HP2 Sport as a motorcycle for outstanding achievements not “just” on the race track, but also on the road.
    Our Head of Development, Peter Müller, will now present all the highlights and details of our new product.
    I personally thank you for your attention and wish you a great time at the Motorcycle Show here in Paris.
    Au revoir!



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    Ποσαδιστής Το avatar του/της el_hymador
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    Παντως στην χωρα μας, το ''μεσαιο'' GS θα σκισει σε πωλησεις...

    μακαρι να το χρησιμοποιησουν ολοι στο πεδιο για το οποιο ειναι κατασκευασμενο

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    Αρχικά δημιουργήθηκε από Cpt. Haddock
    Ας το χρησιμοποιεί ο καθένας όπου θέλει ρε συ...

    Συμφωνώ οτι - λογικα - θα σκίσει σε πωλήσεις. Ειδικά αν η τιμή του ειναι ανταγωνιστική, γυρω στα 9 χιλ, δε θα ξαναπουληθεί βεστρωμ, παρα μονο σε "μαρκόβιους"

    Ας το δούμε όταν έρθει και σε 2-3 χρόνια που ο τίγρης θα θέλει σύνταξη το σκεφτόμαστε
    σαφως και ειναι δικαιωμα του καθενος να το χρησιμοποιησει οπως και οπου θελει, στην τελικη αν θελει καποιος να κανει pizza-delivery με Hayabusa δεν ειμαι εγω αυτος που θα τον κρινω...

    απλα μου κανει καπως ολη αυτη η ιστορια με τα μεγαλα - μεσαια on-off που μαραζωνουν σπιτι-γραφειο-σπιτι. Εκτος του οτι υπαρχει ενας ολοκληρος κοσμος να ανακαλυψει κανεις με αυτες τις μηχανες, ειναι και λαθος επιλογη για αποκλειστικη κινηση μεσα στην πολη.


    αποψη μου, περι ορεξεως βεβαια...

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