MOTO GP round 3, JEREZ, 5-5-2013

[Allst@rf]

Por fuera, Jorge...

[RaGe_Raptor]

μ'αρέσει να βλέπω μάχες με επιθετικές κινήσεις άρα πιστεύω πως ορθά έπραξε ο marquez..είδε χώρο και χώθηκε,τόσο απλά...είναι ακόμη λίγο άγαρμπος/ακατέργαστος..θα τελειοποιήσει την τεχνική του σ'αυτόν τον τομέα...είναι μόλις ο 3ος του αγώνας με το "θηρίο"...έρχεται με φόρα απο τα μικρά...θα βρει τα πατήματά του..

[GIOTIS750]

Jerez 2013 - ATF Extras: A sideways glance at round 3



http://youtu.be/iM8_8nGo6I4

[foogr01]

Jerez 2013 - ATF Extras: A sideways glance at round 3



http://youtu.be/iM8_8nGo6I4

Πολύ ωραίο βιντεάκι .... α ... α .... αψού

[chr1s_86]

αντίστοιχη κίνηση έκανε και ο Μπαουτίστα στη πρώτη στροφή πέρσι στο Άσσεν και πήρε μαζί του 2-3. με άλλα λόγια να ξέρετε γιατι χειροκροτάτε.

Πρώτη στροφή του αγώνα με τελευταία στροφή του αγώνα; Ε, αντίστοιχο δεν το λες

[Argonautis46]

Να 'σαι καλά που με γλύτωσες από το να γράφω κι αυτά...

Για το οπαδικό της υπόθεσης που λέτε μερικοί:

• [Λογικό είναι να υποστηρίζεις κάποιον. Αν «είσαι με όλους», απλά δεν έχει ενδιαφέρον.
• Είμαι fan του Rossi από τα 250cc. Ναι, παρακολουθώ GP από τότε. Και από ακόμα νωρίτερα. Και έβλεπα όλες τις κατηγορίες (μέχρι και 80cc για όσους θυμάστε) όταν μπορούσα, αλλιώς άρθρο από ΔΠ και Motosport.
• Από τους διεκδικητές του τίτλου (γιατί ο Rossi δεν διεκδικεί πρωτάθλημα) υποστηρίζω Lorenzo. Μόνο Lorenzo.
• Δεν έχω υποστηρίξει ποτέ κανέναν αναβάτη Honda (ούτε τον Rossi όσο ήταν στη Honda) και προφανώς δεν θ' αρχίσω να το κάνω τώρα για κανένα λόγο. Κόλλημά μου.
• Έκατσα και έσπασα ένα βίντεο σε φωτογραφίες και έβγαλα τα μάτια μου στο gimp να δω τι πραγματικά έγινε.
• Διαπίστωσα πως ο αναβάτης που υποστηρίζω έχασε μια θέση από δικό του λάθος, από τον αναβάτη μιας εταιρείας που δεν πρόκειται ποτέ να συμπαθήσω ούτε και να αγοράσω ποτέ προϊόν της (είχα από όλες τις άλλες γιαπωνέζικες και είχα και ιταλικό).

Εντάξει;
Πιάνομαι για προκατειλημμένος Marquezόπληκτος;

Όταν λοιπόν διαφωνούμε με κάτι, προσπαθούμε να αντικρούσουμε αυτό που διαφωνούμε παρουσιάζοντας επιχείρημα και όχι την πρόταση «το λες γιατί είσαι ........... (βάλτε ότι θέλετε).
Επίσης, δεν κρίνουμε τον Marquez από τότε που γεννήθηκε, μιλάμε για μια συγκεκριμένη φάση και μόνο.
Αλλιώς, ούτε ο Lorenzo έπρεπε να τρέχει, τα ίδια έκανε κι αυτός.

[Ζεύκας]

(δεν νομίζω να έχουν μπει...)

Εδώ οι γνώμες πρωταγωνιστών για το συμβάν στην τελευταία στροφή -> http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/raci...-marc-marquez/


Και εδώ ένα εξαιρετικό άρθρο του David Emmett που περικλείει όλες τις σκέψεις μου για το εν λόγω συμβάν και τη φετινή σεζόν -> http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/raci...anish-gp-2013/

[MG-KTiNoS]

Πάντως όταν οι μοντέλες πέφτουν στην αφάνεια και ο κόσμος τις ψιλοκλάνει 2 πράματα κάνουν.
Ή την πέφτουν σε κάνενα πλούσιο και μετά φωνάζουν τους παπαράτσι (αυτός με το μικρό παπάρι) να γίνει σκάνδαλο...
Ή τραβάνε κανένα καυγά με καμιά άλλη καργιόλα να γίνει τη πτνς το έλα να δεις...


Απλά πράματα.

Μετά όοολοι ξεχνάνε το ΣΒΚ και μιλάνε για τον Μάρκεζ το τρομερό τιμόνι...
Κανένας φυσικά δεν θυμάται ότι πήγε να τον πάρει 2 3 φορές παράμοζομα το Χόρχε και ότι παλιά... Είχε πάρει παραμάζομα έναν άλλο ασήμαντο και παραλίγο να μην ξανατρέξει...

[boussias]

Διαβάστε και το παρακάτω. Λέτε να έχει βαρεθεί όντως την παντόφλα και να γυρίσει του χρόνου?

Απο --> http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/817/16...o-Ducati-.aspx

Which Way to Jump Ducati? The Rumor Mill is Working Double Shifts

One of the advantages of having spent a life-time around GP racing is that you develop a network of other ancients who both gossip a lot and tend to be rather well informed. I got talking to one such wrinkly, and very knowledgeable, veteran at the British Superbike round at Oulton Park, and he had just returned from a very entertaining, not to say interesting, MotoGP race at Jerez.

Amongst the cognoscenti in Spain, there is a very interesting, and highly credible, story in circulation. However I must stress that, at this stage, it is nothing more than well-informed paddock gossip. Here’s the situation.

First, things are not well at Ducati. The German owners of this famous marque have sat down and reached a firm conclusion regarding ever winning a World Championship with their current line-up of riders. Quite simply, they are never going to do it no matter how good the Ducati Desmosedici GP13 becomes.

Nicky Hayden, lovely, courteous, hard working and talented though he is will never, ever run with the Aliens.
Andrea Dovizioso is better, but not greatly so. When Audi fixes the GP13, which they will, Andrea may well be a podium challenger and could even win an occasional GP. But a place on the podium does not make a World Championship contender.

To become World Champion means that your man has to be on the pace for Pole, fastest lap, and a win at every single GP – Europe, America, Asia or wherever. Wet, cold, baking hot or in floodlights, you must be there.

You have to rock up not with the hope of being competitive but rather with a confident chance of winning. That’s what Honda has with Pedrosa and Marquez and what Yamaha has with Lorenzo.

[boussias]

Συνέχεια...

Incredibly talented though he is, Andrea does not meet these criteria.

So where does this put Audi/Ducati? The answer is in a serious dilemma. First, Marquez cannot be bought at any money because he is on a two-year contract. The same applies to Lorenzo. This leaves Dani. If he wins the World Championship, and I am skeptical of this happening, Honda will not let him go to another factory with the #1 plate.

If he doesn’t, Ducati will get another rider who is a GP winner – but not a World Championship contender.

Ducati now starts to run out of options. The first, and most obvious, choice is Cal Crutchlow. I have always tipped Cal as a seriously class act and he is now proving to be the fastest of the satellite riders race after race. He is also crawling up the wall with frustration riding machines which, while good, are not the best.

At Jerez, despite being battered and bruised from two enormous crashes, Crutchlow was still on the pace. If he had machinery of the same standard as Rossi and Pedrosa he would be challenging for the podium at every single round.

Given that Cal is so good, what went wrong with his Ducati ride for this year? There were two elements and both are embedded in what makes Cal the rider that he is. Unlike some of the current superstars, Cal comes from a very ordinary, working class background. He was not an athlete as a young man but a van driver. This tough upbringing makes him physically and mentally hard, and he likes to personify this steel in public. The real Cal, which I happen to know a little of, is almost the opposite. He is a generous, kind and thoroughly nice person. He is also polite and thoughtful – a million miles away from his public persona.

Unfortunately, he is not nearly as media savvy as he ought to be and so when he made what might well be interpreted as intemperate comments about Ducati, as the bike was at its lowest ebb, the Bologna factory took umbrage and Dovizioso got to pocket the $3 million pay check.

Not that they needed much encouragement because the harsh truth is that Italians prefer to back Italians and so Cal’s media naivety cost him a lot of money – and a factory ride.

But that was 2012 and there is a very different sport now being played out at Ducati. To begin with, there is a not only a new owner of the famous factory but new senior staff too. The team which didn’t give Cal the ride have now gone. Of this, more a little later.

This brings us on to the touchy subject of racial stereotypes – always a dangerous area because there is no such thing as a “standard” person from any country. However, my experience of working with Germans is that they are far from the soulless automata, interested only in making money and winning, which they are often portrayed. On the contrary, I have always found the Germans to be full of fun, very humane, extremely open minded and willing to bury any prejudices they might have in order to win. Yes, they do like systems and order, but I infinitely prefer this way of working to the Italian style of smiles, hugs, fantastic lunches – and then nothing.

Is Cal likely to return to Ducati? Very, very likely – but this time he will be more controlled, more media aware and, with Germans in the team, more at home too.

[boussias]

Και εδώ το ζουμί...

Now here’s where the story gets really interesting. The wrinkly gossip is that life in Australia is not quite as perfect as Mr. C. Stoner thought it might be. Going from a world where merely having the holy Casey’s shadow fall on you was considered to be a blessing, to being just another rich, but not extremely rich, young Australian is, I am told, not sitting overly well.

Worse still, Casey looks at the current GP line-up and thinks, reportedly publicly, that he could whup all their asses regardless of what bike he rode. This may well be true, and I still believe that Stoner is one of the most naturally talented motorcycle racers of all times. Not the best, note, but the most incredibly gifted.

The flaw is that Casey needs to be loved and stroked and cared for in order to ride well. He also needs to be respected. In every degree, these are areas in which the Germans excel.

Hell would have frozen over 20 times before Casey would have ever ridden a Ducati when the old management team which, de facto, fired him was still in place. But now they’re gone and the orchestra has a different conductor.

If Casey truly is getting bored with the good life in Australia, and if he is actually itching to rejoin the pantheon of Moto Gods, then he will listen to Audi.

For their part, the Germans will tell Casey how much they respect him. They will also tell him that whatever he wants to win a World Championship he can have and, as a minor incentive, they will probably lay $15 million on the table.

Dorna, in their desperation, will weigh in everything in their toy cupboard to ensure that Casey becomes not merely very rich but truly, seriously wealthy.

Casey has already taken extreme delight in the fact that Valentino, despite his initial confidence, failed miserably with the Ducati. He will take the same pleasure in the travails of every other rider.

And if he does return, what will happen? The answer, as I and Audi both know, is utterly and completely predictable.
Casey will turn up at the first test and complain about the weather, his state of health, the color of the water in the cooler. He will then hold his head in his hands and look utterly miserable and on the point of wishing to end it all. Five minutes later, and without any familiarization, he will have put the Ducati on pole position.

This is why Audi executives will walk across the Pacific to Australia. This is why he will be loved and cherished and respected as only the Germans do for their racers. And this is why you might well see the best rider of his generation back on the MotoGP grid next year challenging for the World Championship.

[devil's animal]

Ducati now starts to run out of options. The first, and most obvious, choice is Cal Crutchlow. I have always tipped Cal as a seriously class act and he is now proving to be the fastest of the satellite riders race after race. He is also crawling up the wall with frustration riding machines which, while good, are not the best.

At Jerez, despite being battered and bruised from two enormous crashes, Crutchlow was still on the pace. If he had machinery of the same standard as Rossi and Pedrosa he would be challenging for the podium at every single round.

αντε να τα πει και κανενας γνωστης...
γιατι οταν τα λεω εγω...με λετε γραφικο...

[fkol k4]

αντε να τα πει και κανενας γνωστης...
γιατι οταν τα λεω εγω...με λετε γραφικο...

Αυτός και αν είναι γραφικός...
enormous crashes my ass...

Να 'ναι πάντα καλά το παιδί και μια χαρά αναβάτης είναι κιόλας, αλλά enormous crash δεν είναι όταν πονάει η σπάλα από το βρόντο, αυτά ας τα πει στο Freddie Spencer που έτρεχε με τις τενοντίτιδες, τον Schwantz που έτρεχε με διαλυμένους καρπούς, τον Doohan που έτρεχε με μισό πόδι, τον Capirossi (αν θυμαμαι καλά) που έτρεχε με τη λάμα στο βραχίονα, τον Stoner που δεν μπορούσε να ανέβει ή να κατέβει από το μηχανάκι και πήγαινε με πατερίτσες, τον Pedrosa που έτρεχε με σπασμένες κλείδες κτλ και παίρναν βάθρα και νίκες.

[endopandou]

οταν τα λεω εγω...με λετε γραφικο...

Δεν νομίζω Τάκη. Όχι όλοι...


btw πολύ ωραίο άρθρο.

[KostasV2]

Και γρήγορος είναι ο Crutchlow, και βελτιώνει σιγά σιγά τα αδύνατα σημεία του. Αλλά να μην ξεχνάμε τι του έκανε πέρσι ο Dovizioso με ίδιο μηχανάκι...